Figured it out. No break or silence is heard between the pitches. Slurs can be solid, dotted, or dashed. Will they? Brad Howland. Yes we know about extended slurs, this is a global and secondary usage and it doesn't help us about the subject of this topic," - javajam. legato changing the bow, legato changing (fingering) position, and cross string legato. (Samuel Adler)There's one case which is an exception: when a wide slur includes several bars i.e. In the music, a slur looks like a curved line over the notes that are all in one bow. (Samuel Adler)There's one case which is an exception: when a wide slur includes several bars i.e. Something about that variety that adds an organic flavor. I suppose VSL did the same, and "interpreted" the "slur" definition to describe a mellow legato instead of a more defined one. At faster tempos, I may switch to spiccato and treat it more like a sautille. In other words, if Tcherepnin wanted the tenuto notes in the beginning to be given exactly their full value, it would have been much easier to put all of them underneath a slur. On a bowed instrument the bow continues in the same direction on a slur, as much as possible; on a wind instrument the note similarly continues without being rearticulated; a singer stays on the same syllable. Listening to the "slurred legato" patches, I hear a kind of slower transition and little portamento, that sounds sometime like the change of position (and is maybe a good way to simulate it inside a legato phrase, but should NOT be random... but where really the players do a position change instead of simple fingering), but I don't know what was exactly the intention of the creators and the source for the name of it. This is something I struggle with from time to time. In contrast to a "bowed" legato, changing the bow direction with each note. So a slur in notated music does NOT mean strictly "take it in one bow.". Learn the differences between Tenuto Vs Legato. Strings very commonly play slurred notes with different bow strokes. How do I play a slur? "legato-portato", "lourè" etc.). The term legato is used to describe how you play or sing slurred notes. We can't use this articulation for an entire line indeed or it sounds dramatically fake.So, I still don't get why this articulation is called 'slurred'... "To do it simple, a slur is usually a curved line upon several notes. Top. When using natural slurs, players must articulate some notes… @kylecparton In … The original subject was about samples, not your silly concepts of slurs. Music theory questions and answers. It's also called "fingered" legato in other sample libraries. ", You are dead wrong. Even unattached short legatos might work. It is just as often used for PHRASING, to indicate a general legato that is accomplished with multiple bows or fingered legato. The times I've gotten closest to sounding like a real performance have always involved switching articulations relatively often, sometimes every few notes, are in some cases, every note. I've learned a long time ago, when working with samples, never let the score dictate the choice of articualtions used. The second example, Judit's first line in Duke Bluebeard's Castle (1912), employs an inclining, wavy line between the fourth and fifth notes to indicate a steady rise in pitch. Legato and Slurs: The Three Aspects of Great Legato Playing. All right, I will cease and desist, and go write some phrasing slurs. It just can't be used on an entire line indeed (except maybe for very fast lines, I didn't check that yet). However, the transition from one note to another should sound continuous (legato) in a slur. If they do not, then changes and solutions that may well use seperate bowing within a written slur are a possibility. That is an example of phrasing INDICATED BY A SLUR that cannot be played on one bow and never would be attempted. I know about slurs used for phrasing and once more, just for you...I know about bowing. Charitable Action Actions Speak Louder Than Words. There is also a fast version (perf-legato-slur_fa) of it. A slur is not a fast glissando. But, given the discussion, my post above was chiming with your pov to a certain extent anyhow, suggesting you are right in some cases, not that you'd see that. Don't announce as a fact something that is simply false and expect moronic acquiescence. Only They hold the Key. Countless scores have slurs that last for far more notes than can be taken on one bow, and it is not a matter of a composer knowing how to write for strings. I agree with some of you that the patch are more suitable for special purpose, and that's why I was asking if any English naming that perhaps I didn't know, described it. To do it simple, a slur is usually a curved line upon several notes. Of course, no one may ever hear from VSL,  There are some things Man is not meant to know. As a verb slur is to insult or slight. As a composer, when I slur notes for bowing, I'd expect them to be played in the one bow as would every other composer and arranger who understands this vital part of writing for strings. - M.M. While ties are mainly concerned with note duration, a slur affects note duration and articulation. Steady Air Flow. There is an intermediate articulation called either mezzo staccato or non-legato (sometimes referred to as portato ). I'm having a hard time telling whether the slur markings in the attached excerpt mean to actually slur the notes (play without tonguing) or simply indicate the phrasing in legato passages. String players will probably change bowing in rehearsal if a better musical result is available and that change will be guided by the phrase and what the composer has already put in as bowing - but only on the assumption that the composer/arranger understands bowing. For example - an FF section where the player is just sawing away at his instrument and can only take two notes at a time on one bowstroke beause he runs out of bow. Your Basket contains the following items: Welcome Guest! And that is why a slur marking could never be an absolute indication of bowing. -J.W. When used as nouns, insult means an action or form of speech deliberately intended to be rude, whereas slur means an insult or slight.. ‘Legato’ means ‘tied together’ in Italian suggesting that the player should be singing or playing the notes in a joined-up manner No you weren't. A slur DOES NOT MEAN ONE BOW. Post by Mark » Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:28 am. © 2002 - 2021 Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH. Stay tuned for more informative lessons. In the first example, Rodolfo's first aria in La Sonnambula (1831), the portamento is indicated by the slur between the third and fourth notes. Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License; additional terms may apply. What I wouldn't give for an on the bow sampled detache that worked every time, but I'm beginning to thing such a thing isn't possible. What is not slurred anymore is not slurred. -javajam. (music) A slur curve above or below a passage of notes indicating that they should be played in a legato manner. I have had the same question that fatis had about this, and have not used the so-called "slurred legato" articulations. It's confusing ...For me, "legato_slur" would indicate a "fingered" legato, but actually it's a legato patch with a tiny bit of portamento, useful for a finger position change or faster passages and runs.The correct meaning of a "slur" is simply legato, playing several notes with one bowstroke. Question: What does it mean when you see notes that are slurred together and also have staccato dots? I'm curious to understand what in the producer's idea was the difference between a "Legato" patch and a "Slurred (legato)" patch, because: - in my academic background (actually pretty large, but mostly in Italian) I can't remember anything defined "slurred" (if not simply meaning "legato" in English) but a lot of different types of legatos with pretty specific names (e.g. It just means several notes in one bowstroke like Pixelpoet said. " Slur vs. legato. Slur vs. legato. To enable all features please. Sometimes I use both articulations, starting with a staccato at the beginning of a motive then switch to the softer short detache for the rest of the motive. You are dead wrong. (I say may respond, because some sample libraries do not have separate patches for legato vs non-legato … Though you're right it is not clear. Legato – Played smoothly with no separation between successive notes; the opposite of staccato. I'm speaking mainly about the solo strings library, but it also applies to chambers strings. Answer: A mark like that is most appropriate for string instruments, which will then play those notes all on the same bowstroke but separated. Any time you see a slur, which is a curved line below or above the notes, it means you'll need to play them legato. Before I entered  VSL world, I was taught that Staccato just meant shortened unnattached notes in a series but to VSL staccatos are short notes with a very hard attack. Proper legato playing on trombone comes from a combination of three things: steady air flow, quick slide action, and simultaneous tonguing. Seems kind of contradictory. Now, what does a slur do? - I did a little research, and also in performance and technics tutorials or academic texts I can't find any definition of "slurred" vs. "standard" legato. In context|music|lang=en terms the difference between legato and staccato is that legato is (music) a slur curve above or below a passage of notes indicating that they should be played in a legato manner while staccato is (music) describing a passage having this mark. Like jumping an octave - with a slur it might often be taken on a different bow bbecause if played SUL it would be too much of a slide. Legato function (slur & slide, soft legato) When inputting legato with a slur, if the pitch difference is 1 octave or more, it will be soft legato. *{{quote-magazine, date=2014-04-21, volume=411, issue=8884, magazine=(. Also the attack is way late that if i play a few 1/8 th notes in succession at the speed mentioned above, the sound is wayy behind even though the midi notes are right on. Legato, like staccato , is a kind of articulation . That's the word used in Sibelius i.e.The Synchron 'slurred' is a kind of slight portamento or better a hand position change. "We are talking about precise articulations. I never liked that VSL called the patch "legato_slur". That is absolutely FALSE. Loaded a Celli Legato slur + port RR LT 6 patch played a 6/8 line at 76 bpm and keep getting annoying sliding notes unless i pound the crap out of the keyboard. IMHO, "slur" legato is not a new note but a pitch bend. This requires Legato Energy. As a adverb legato is (music) smoothly, in a connected manner. As opposed to the normal "legato"  which can be simply a seriee of smoothly connected notes noo matter how played. Or another example is a change between notes that are impractical on one bow and would have too much portamento. Each of the notes in a slur curve has to be played. For details, see Phrasing slurs. In knitting machines, a device for depressing the sinkers successively by passing over them. But you know what? To soil; to sully; to contaminate; to disgrace. open up your score of Beethoven's 3rd 1st movement bar 140-141. When you hear notes that are slurred, there is a connection of sound. go figure. Strings very commonly play slurred notes with different bow strokes. How would you notate Perfomance Legato for example? “Legato” means to play something smoothly, making each note feel connected to the next (the opposite of staccato articulation). Slurred notes are four. Sometimes at lower velocities I can get the staccato articulation to work as a moderately fast detache. It means the player should play as many notes as possible in one bow stroke and have soft bow changes in between. - Quora. All Rights Reserved. If I had to guess, shorter groups look like they should be slurred but I hesitate about longer groups like … Thorgod10. A legato passage can be indicated by a long curved line over or under the notes or by the word ‘legato’. Modern scoring practice and composing utilises more bowing effects than Beethoven's time and it is that resource that is a wonderful asset to have as a composer because only when you know about it, can you use it and exploit it for your own end....that kersten, is a fact. You were stating that slurred means one bow, and that is what I was contradicting - so now you have changed the subject. In addition to interpreting musical terms these companies also create their own. To cover over; to disguise; to conceal; to pass over lightly or with little notice. How do you expect a composer to exploit in a creative, compositional emotional manner, bowing techniques that inform and enhance his/her work if they do not t know about them?...well? windshieldbug Once got the "hand" as a cue Posts: 11478 Staccato is an antonym of legato. And it is not a matter of knowing how to write for strings - string players always figure out their own bowings - often with a concert master indicating how to bow a section - and what the composer writes is only a general indication of bowing. In real life, some technical events/needs have an acoustic effect: e.g. > What is the difference between "SLURRED" and "LEGATO"? It depends on the phrasing and tempo. Thanks for reading my 79th article in the series 100-day music blogging challenge. How Does Legato Sound on Various Instruments? - there is a strange way of referring to them by different sample libraries producers, that doesn't help people with classical or pop music background, since it seems there is not completely direct relations between samples names and theory/practice, but a bit of arbitrary descriptions by producers. What is the matter with you.....Can't you read? It's best to audition say short portato, staccato, stacc slow, stacc fast, portato fast, repetition and/or performance stacc, portato detache, if you want a series of short notes in a sequence. The term is totally inaccurate. Though you're right it is not clear. January 25 edited January 25. Creative Commons Attribution/Share-Alike License; (music) A set of notes that are played legato, without separate articulation. See Wiktionary Terms of Use for details. Or maybe you don't think Beethoven knew how to write for strings. So many variables involved. You're right, mh, it's about interpretation, playing ability and improvements which can be applied 'on the field'.To get back to the 'slur' definition and Williams' comment, it still stays the same. Since we have the words “slur” and “glissando“, we may as well use them precisely so that we can understand what we’re talking about with some precision. - of course it's not "portamento" that seems to have a pretty unique and clear definition and implementation in the sample libraries. Surprising explanation, William... A good composer or arranger knows about bowstrokes and wouldn't write something the players won't be able to play but this is another story.A slur is a slur. It is useful, in particular, for very fast runs. To blur or double, as an impression from type; to mackle. A slur (also called a phrase marking) indicates a phrase of music that is to be played with legato articulation. What are the differences between a legato and a slur? Surprising explanation, William... 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