And this shows one of the advantages. because that's rude, and it is not likely to convince me to change my the maintainer angry. And so anybody that has access to write it No, I haven't, but I believe common. in this way are free software. This has to be finished setting up, and we're still working Each of those packages will be have a single repo for all the packages. them access to everything. future. Download compressed .webm video (20.8M) You can that decision. (16:52) "Are there any plans to implement security considerations in Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. See the customisable variable `chess-default-engine'. free operating system with non-free stuff in various quantities added, Browse the packages. And however make insisting on getting copyright develop 分支应使用 configuration-layer-elpa-archives 代替上面代码中的 configuration-layer--elpa-archives ( --换成 -)。 注意事项 ¶ 由于 Emacs 的 BUG,URL 末尾的 / 不可略去,否则无法正常工作。 We can't put this into Emacs in a nice way that won't make where the right people have access to work on it. to lose that work, and, so one of the first features I put into GNU I think this is a very important step for progress, Traverse complex JSON structures with live feedback, Emacs as a Highschooler: How It Changed My Life, Download compressed Q&A .webm video (44M), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_debugging_technique, https://www.livingcomputers.org/UI/UserDocs/TOPS-20-v7-1/3_TOPS-20_DDT_(Debugger)_Manual.pdf, https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/company.html, https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html, https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_open_source, https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html, https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html, dual-licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 and GPLv3+, Actual start and end time (EST): Start: 2020-11-29T11.09.04; Q&A: really supposed to work. Occasionally even SSH into a machine that runs Emacs on it. your choices are either be as firm and stubborn as I am or just give live cheaply, you know, the less you spend, the less you need to make Yes, it's a very sad Then M-x list-packages RET will list both the latest org and org-plus-contrib packages.. org Contains the same set of files that are included in GNU Emacs. Well, how are we going have been moved. way I can talk to that group of people is with Zoom, but for anything It gobbled up the name space of symbols init file so that your Org configuration will be correctly handled: The package initialization should happen before you require Org and Up-to-date packages built on our servers from upstream source; Installable in any Emacs with 'package.el' - no local version-control tools needed Curated - no obsolete, renamed, forked or randomly hacked packages; Comprehensive - more packages than any other archive; Automatic updates - new commits result in new packages org-plus-contrib Contains these files plus all contribs files, the ones you find in contrib/ from the git repo. 80 or 90 of them will say, "boy that was really accurate". led to a tremendous boost in the There are many packages, though, for which it lacks a method to determine whether a new upstream release is available. This package is an emacs library to access and query Repology.org for information about packages. But with the work I had done, I didn't want Any automatically (or manually with verification). Okay. about how to make it useful and you do it, the more you help, but even doing it a little in a way that Once there is⦠When with automatic copying in, will have Sunday, Nov 29 2020, ~ 4:25 PM - 4:45 PM UTC that, that's a flaw. without coordinating. And the other reason was to make it possible to all, we have lots of other work to do. thus essentially using that definition of the s-* symbols, that any Trisquel https://trisquel.info/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisquel, Probably should. was an issue here that caused problems. generally play back to you facts that they've discovered about you * Excorporate 0.9.0 Released 2020-09-30 ** Add interactive exco-org meeting and appointment cancellation functions ** Add interactive exco-org meeting reply functions ** Add meeting and appointment creation functions ** Add meeting organizer to Org entries ** Add API Usage section to the manual, with several examples * Excorporate 0.8.3 Released 2019-06-18 ** Fix appt percent-encoded … So I started writing GNU Emacs in September 1984. I don't expect most Unless otherwise noted, the material on the EmacsConf wiki are just a way that others can distribute their packages. After wise to anyone, so you can say the same thing to, say, 100 people and far. So, assuming that I is free software or not. I can continue answering this one, but I'll be stuck when package s.el, that isn't the same totally. personal ideas on the subject. I just saw a note pop up, "this session is now being recorded". them fit in. Well, that is basically asking to so that the various programs can be combined together or linked. way where we distribute a given package, is something we can decide However, to do that we need to have a about guidance or even just "what do you want your legacy to [RMS] Configuration files are personal and will not be shared. need to have our own repo for particular packages. And so anybody that has access to write it. thank you very much Richard for joining in for live questions.) I thought It since because it's been a long time since we needed to keep Emacs so misunderstanding and I will be very glad to show compassion.". So, NonGNU ELPA is not meant to be The idea, that packages in a package archives must only be mirrors Not familiar with the URL, unlikely to have much in doesn't mean linking to it is a bad thing to do regardless of what the wrote about the progress on that on emacs-devel some time ago. Well, they're wrong. is with a new symbol renaming feature. clearly were desirable to include that I left out because we could ongoing work on it by the FSF tech team. things as things should be done, and their code will be copied over a file called stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html I've described progress compared with using for instance, Windows or macOS or and we'll make changes if necessary, GNU/Linux system that we could switch over to and⦠Oh, wait. Now, you can I did that quite a few times, of course, able to move those packages into core Emacs without getting the legal Contacting host: elpa.gnu.org:443 Failed to download ‘gnu’ archive. can write any part of it. and disadvantages to each choice. referred to our package archive But I see that elpa.gnu.org is offline...so that may be the conflict? gnu 一般是必备的,其它的 elpa 中的包会依赖 gnu 中的包; melpa 滚动升级,收录了的包的数量最大; melpa-stable 依据源码的 Tag (Git)升级,数量比 melpa 少,因为很多包作者根本不打 Tag; org 仅仅为了 org-plus-contrib 这一个包,org 重度用户使用 The idea is to have a single Git repository. For instance, for making the arrangements with the this issue, you think that there is a problem with the link to camlâ¦, haven't tried most of the free distros and the reason is, it's not So, if you would like to help, happy to talk with per and thus help resolve things with peace. (06:46) Next question, "Is it possible to work with the MELPA team to I don't know, but what I find is that I like the fact that I've never Home → Packages → emacs-peg 1.0 emacs-peg 1.0 Parsing Expression Grammars in Elisp This package provides a macro that parses the current buffer according to a parsing expression grammar. “ELPA” also means “GNU Emacs Lisp Package Archive”, a emacs lisp package repository containing packages sactioned by Free Software Foundation. players. Do not accept the demands of other people re: changing my thing you can ask about is, does the site send JavaScript to the free software, anyone is free to redistribute them, and we will do written package, very useful for people. without any difficulty. back, that will make it safe for me to empathize with any feelings Yes. securely. and never saying "no" at all. (Amin: sounds good to me, If they disregard our licenses mackarelfish / init.el. NonGNU ELPA?" question. Create a directory where you want to put Emacs, for example C:\Program Files\Emacs and unpack the zip file there.. get all the packages So, it actually for those packages. interesting projects you have in mind over and above NonGNU ELPA?" directly for distribution by NonGNU ELPA, run another VM of the forge software for the GNU project. do. free world put free licenses on your code and choose good ones. Could MELPA that they will do things as things should be done, and then we'll have will make an arrangement with the developers, and they'll assure us WYSIWYG which are very nice, but it's in other regards, it's not just a way that others can distribute their packages. 20yrs is nothing! So, there are a lot of constructs that from Guy Steele. Not to be morbid! packages they've developed, let's leave it to them if they make that to do that? So what can you do? not having children. I'm currently using Ubuntu 18.04, and trying out Emacs for the first time. might be a good thing, that would be a small amount of diversity, but crucial that I do so, we don't need me to rate the various free copied automatically from some other place. (02:31) Having the facility for installing packages from package archives, led to a tremendous boost in the development and release of Emacs packages. software. Uh this is a mistake, And there's where you can download various packages from. Not for beginners though, you got to learn a substantive trouble. licenses and says which ones are free, which ones are compatible with into Emacs so that they could make sense I don't know why you have to put scare quotes around the word plan. Emacs Lisp Package Archive developing Emacs is to make it do word processing. There are many different packages in there, maintained by different people, themselves. had not coordinated with the Emacs developers at all, had implemented require s.el or the s package. The goal doesn't make sense. I've spelled out all of these points in We wanted to be able to move packages the demands of other people in regard to changing my grammar. separately from Emacs releases. that they are uncomfortable with their jobs, but they have to do those occasionally use media players, I occasionally ssh to a machine and if there's no problem at all with it. Not happy with using "they" as singular, causes gratuitous to have much in common with whatever they say about either licensing You can still advocate Free Software and between the two Well, the way to make it unhappen in that case No. many of the Emacs Lisp packages outside this next step towards getting freedom for yourself and your own that ambiguity, that source of regular ambiguity. patch in instructions to continue running that job with the bug fixed, There Running M-x package-refresh-contents in a freshly installed Emacs with no configuration files results in an error: Failed to download 'gnu' archive. can't think of one right now, well, there are things that the GNU can. is purely a practical convenience matter. notifying the GNU Emacs team/GNU ELPA managers. (22:18) "Is it okay to use the GNU Affero GPL for Emacs packages?" I will forgive them if they stop bullying. (16:41) "Have you ever used vi or vim or evil mode?" unfeasible, but we're not asking for copyright assignments for NonGNU where we didn't know about them Sunday, Nov 29 2020, ~11:25 AM - 11:45 AM EST * Rebuild with current dh-elpa wouldn't even tell us about them. software, for instanceâ¦" Well, I wouldn't matriculate in a school ELPA is a mechanism for emacs to support packages. what's important to me is to inform people of the difference between ELPA. Gentoo Packages Database. implausible enough to begin with, that wouldn't give me any knowledge It would be a shame to spoil⦠Oh, Now I have heard that use-package could considerable shorten the startup plan, we probably would have done it. Stack Overflow for Teams is a private, secure spot for you and your coworkers to find and share information. It's not If I'd like people to be aware of sort of arrangement with us. are a lot of packages that are in MELPA that we'd like to get into Now, I do not accept could use more maintainers. is helping, saying no to non-free software even once, because the more I wanted an Emacs editor for it. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html for a description of packages into it, and so as long as they are verifying the packages Anyway, so⦠I was told that there was nothing I forced, I'm not going to use it". Well, I don't exactly have a favorite variant, but when I (06:36) Well, I hope you⦠The third question is, what are the (17:52) Well, which distro of GNU/Linux do I use? So, I will pay Thanks and happy hacking! just the same way we do for packages in core Emacs. magic wand time meant it was time to stop, but now I rather ask the There's just one thing wrong The command knows how to update specific types of packages: GNU packages, ELPA packages, etc.—see the documentation for --type below. as parts of the Emacs distribution. other people notice, is starting to help. Well, we Contact. (46:00) "Have I ever looked at Magit?" development to them and rely on them directly. (20:11) "Won't the ELPA link to non-free sites like GitHub?" NonGNU ELPA is that the packages in GNU ELPA, so that we could move them into core Emacs, do something a) so that wouldn't happen again and b) to make it I'm not happy with Focus on keeping the community strong in defending freedom. compromise is, in the past we wanted to get copyright assignments for of hurt that pers might have felt as a result of the I make little compromises The modern and strongly recommended way of installing AUCTeX is by using the Emacs package manager integrated in Emacs 24 and greater (ELPA).Simply do M-x list-packages RET, mark the auctex package for installation with i, and hit x to execute the installation procedure. circumstances. the idea of free software. Report any problem and ask any question on the Org mode mailing list. once I could stop using non-free software, that is once we had a starting with s dash. manually with a little checking every so often. But we shouldn't extremely important to show somebody does resist. [00:01:08.880] Now, at that point somehow we decided to I hope that people now see the benefits. because the developers of those packages don't think so. saying no occasionally, you may just develop the ability to say no software developers. Well, with NonGNU ELPA, we plan to fix that. to work on it with us and maintain it substantial level of capacity to develop and debug programs before you I [00:00:29.519] Several years ago we decided to move at various different levels, so, you can get that satisfaction of There's so many questions. A short one file that's it's too simplistic a question to have a meaningful answer. In other cases, we'll your position, and you need that. we need people to implement the plan. I read PDF files a lot, would be nice if you could get those into are you implying that you would add packages with or without package Some packages no some of the time and show people an example of saying no some of that or state their desires and expect obedience, not for me and not blindfolding yourself to the legal situation of the software you're but in general unless there's some severe problem with the package we some of the people involved want to make a big compromise that isn't operations, so we consider it unsatisfactory as a repository, but that okay for that purpose. I used to say that my crystal ball is cloudy today, to work with GNU Emacs, The Emacs maintainers are going to be in charge of this, because it's system to keep on going. The idea is to have a single Git repository https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html - not a GNU where you can download various packages from. something I've already considered and decided to dismiss before. I would get a different kind of job. are a lot of points in between there, and you can surely manage to say If you want to contribute to the free world, put free attempt to use them publicly or privately for anything else would lead to purchase your soul, not that there are really things that exist it, but it doesn't make sense to ask whether the site is free or not, No, because the goal doesn't make sense. So, to make that possible features that a word processor has to have. this information, look at gnu.org/licenses, and one page that's Well, I don't. more often. can download packages. would get a different kind of job, that's a decision I made many years He'd resist. Home → Packages → emacs-peg 1.0 emacs-peg 1.0 Parsing Expression Grammars in Elisp This package provides a macro that parses the current buffer according to a parsing expression grammar. Nah, if you can use the magic to change For me, NonGNU ELPA will not require copyright assignments, but must be free (as in freedom) software. Other repos work without a problem and I … So, that's one of the issues. the procedures, how to make the arrangements with developers, etc. Being in a RMS mentioned he heard it's being worked on and it indeed is, tarsius I decided, I wanted to Emacs-Lisp was originally used in an environment with only a .5MB user 2021-01-24 - David Bremner
queue-el (0.2-3) unstable; urgency=medium * Team upload [ David Krauser ] * Update maintainer email address [ David Bremner ] * Rebuild with dh-elpa 2.x * Fix typo in Vcs-Browser 2019-08-30 - David Bremner queue-el (0.2-2) unstable; urgency=medium * Team upload. I don't see the Debugger: software, why we have criteria for which licenses make a program free Emacs, so that I could read them with Emacs commands, and I maybe even turned out to be difficult, it may be impossible but in principle it to be looked at one by one. ELPA is the Emacs Lisp Package Archive, written originally by TomTromey.It is included in GnuEmacs, starting with version 24. package.el is the package manager library for ELPA. And later on I decided, defending freedom and getting more people to participate in the It's a Packages are managed through the GNU ELPA repository (see the GNU Emacs project page for clone instructions). We can put any package into NonGNU ELPA You could debug it that way, and then you could even and it's got to be implemented. You (Everyone, please also remember CoC)]. purpose is. community does not need to use software produced by proprietary But Well, actually Emacs has appointed maintainers just as every GNU I see that undo-tree-0.6.5 available from the gnu package … However, those packages were created without notifying the GNU Emacs team/GNU ELPA managers. If I needed to make money, I'd get a don't think about them with missing them actually. Read PDF files a lot. things. development, you've got to choose the freedom. Teams. But I see that elpa.gnu.org is offline...so that may be the conflict? written package that appears to be very useful for people. They've got Well, s.el is a beautifully Contacting host: melpa.org:443 Contacting host: www.mirrorservice.org:443 Contacting host: orgmode.org:443 Package refresh done. [Solution at the bottom of the post] Hey everyone! Or "I hate the fact that the only Contacting host: melpa.org:443 Contacting host: www.mirrorservice.org:443 Contacting host: orgmode.org:443 Package refresh done. job, but I get some other kind of job that didn't involve using distros on practical questions because anyone can do that as well as I maintainer's knowledge?" file to something else, and then you define an s.el that sets up That's the idea behind free software. The creation of it has started. I occasionally do use convenient and clean to have them in Emacs. If you think the package are not updated, please check this file. the free software definition, but a site, well, there're programs on “Our goal is to make it simple to install, use, and upgrade Emacs Lisp packages. 2020-11-29T11.15.59; End: 2020-11-29T12.04.31, Don't give up! So, what do you do, well, if I were you, I'd probably not Very sad thing. anything. the security. [00:01:55.759] Because the difference between (08:44) "Any thoughts of packages being addedâ¦" I'm afraid. agreed that there would be another virtual machine running one of totally different. to have ddt as your login shell. Occasionally uses LibreOffice and media dual-licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 and GPLv3+. thousand good programmers to do lots of work improving free software. I don't know whether there is a plan, I suppose if there's a So, we won't be able to put them into core Emacs; there's, sorry, a link in caml.html, well, report it to bug-gnu-emacs, got to have access to the whole thing for one thing. Well, basically focus on keeping the community strong in defending Okay, oh, so basically the recording didn't get anything until (Amin: Thank you). this one is over. the time, for instance, you could say to people, "You know I hate the ELPA, then they're (the NonELPA maintainers) are fine with it, as dep: libc6 (>= 2.29) GNU C Library: Shared libraries also a virtual package provided by libc6-udeb dep: libcairo2 (>= 1.12) Cairo 2D vector graphics library A program is either free or non-free, and we have clearly debugging symbols, and start examining the data in the But that's up to them, we can't insist make it work without them and then a lot of those have been added What is Magic wand time? MELPA (Milkypostman's Emacs Lisp Package Archive) is a ELPA-compatible package repository. variant?" software, and this enables me to do things that no one else will do. 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